Echoes FAQ v4.6

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Pink Floyd Internet Reference List

  1. What Pink Floyd-related FTP sites are available?
    1. List of sites
    2. Can I access FTP sites even if I can't FTP?
    3. Using FTPmail
  2. Are there any World Wide Web sites? +
  3. Is there a Pink Floyd Usenet newsgroup?
  4. Other Internet Resources
    1. Annotated Lyric Files
    2. VocalList +
    3. Guest Work
    4. Tour Files
    5. Cover Songs *
  5. Pink Floyd on IRC (Internet Relay Chat)
  6. What is echoes?
    1. Are there lists like echoes for other bands? +
  7. What can the echoserv server do for me?
    1. Getting a list of available files
    2. To get back issues of echoes
    3. Getting back issues of Eclipse
    4. Retrieving parts of the FAQ
  8. Other Computer Stuff *
    1. What MIDI/MOD files are available? +
    2. The Pulse Screensaver for Windows/Mac *
  9. Is there an echoes archive site?
    1. Submitting files to the Archives
    2. Index of Pink Floyd files on the FTP.HALCYON.COM Archive +
  10. Interacting with echoes
    1. How to Subscribe
    2. How to Unsubscribe
    3. How to change between realtime and digest
    4. How to Post
    5. How to talk to the list administrator
  11. echoes Posting Guidelines

+ Changed since last version
* New since last version

This Document Copyright © 1994, 1995 by the Echoes Mailing List and its Members. For questions on distribution, contact: echoes-faq@fawnya.tcs.com


Note that this document assumes a fair amount of technical knowledge -- there are no in-depth instructions on how to FTP, or how to connect to the WWW, etc. It's assumed that if you're not sure how to do something, you will take the responsibility to contact the appropriate Usenet help group, or to talk to your University computing center or the MIS/IT area of your employer. Please don't ask "how to" questions on the Pink Floyd newsgroups, mailing lists, or other forums where it's just not appropriate. Thanks!


1. What Pink Floyd-related FTP sites are available?

All of these sites offer access to Pink Floyd-related materials via anonymous logins. What this means is that (on most sytems) you type

ftp <sitename>

Then you login as "anonymous" (or type "login anonymous," depending on the system). For the password, enter your username@address. Once you're in, use the

cd <directory>

command to change to the Pink Floyd directory. Use the "dir" command to get a list of what's in the directory. Use the command

get <filename>

to retrieve a file back to your home site. Be sure to use the "binary" command before you get any non-text file. You can use the "exit" command to return to your home site.


1.1 List of sites +

Site: ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/
Directory: local/pink_floyd
Description: Main site. Articles, lyrics, interviews, recent pictures, and a whole lot of other stuff. A complete index of what's available is in Q9.2.

Site: ftp://ftp.uwp.edu/
Directory: pub/music/artists/p/pink.floyd
Description: Mirror of the halcyon site, and also more pictures and other information. This is one of the Internet's main music sites, and this sort of info is available there for most groups.

Site: ftp://ftp.twi.tudelft.nl/
Directory: pub/music
Description: Info on the '94 album and tour. Up-to-date list of dates for the tour, the sets they have played so far, and assorted PF rumours.

Site: humper.student.princeton.edu
Directory: floyd
Description: A mirror of what's on the WWW site (which in turn is mostly what's on halcyon, though there is some unique stuff).

Site: ftp://ftp.cs.pdx.edu/
Directory: pub/Publius
Description: A collection of the Publius information available from echoserv. Includes a history of all past Publius posts.

Site: ftp://ftp.ulaval.ca/
Directory: contrib/Images
Description: Pictures from the '94 tour.

Site: ftp://ftp.nevada.edu/
Directory: pub/guitar/p/pink_floyd
Description: Guitar tabs for some Floyd songs.


1.2 Can I access FTP sites even if I can't FTP?

Yes, you can, through the miracles of "FTPmail." The gist of FTPmail is that you send the commands necessary to log into an FTP site and retrieve a file to a special mail server, and that server will log in and get the file for you, and then send it to you as a mail message.

This is real easy for text files, but there's a slight problem with binary (picture, sound, non-text) files -- if you mail them in unmodified form, they'll get trashed. This is solved by having the FTPmail site convert the binary file to text when it sends it to you, and then you can convert it back to a binary format when you get it.

The most common method for doing this is through UUencoding and UUdecoding. FTPmail can easily UUencode a binary file, and UUdecoders for most computer systems are readily available. The only problem is that, of course, if you're reading this, you can't just FTP one, and you can't get one via FTPmail 'cause you can't decode it. So you'll have to call a local BBS, computer user group, or find some other way of getting one. Note also that most Unix systems have UUencoding/decoding software available.


1.3 Using FTPmail +

To use FTPmail, send the message

help

to the address ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com

This will send you a help file explaining how to use the FTPmail server. It includes some examples, but I'll provide a further one. Say you want to get the 1993 Rockline Interview with Roger Waters (recommended reading, as are most of the interviews). Using the index to ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/ in Q9.2, you would send the following to the FTPmail server:

connect ftp.halcyon.com
ascii
chdir local/pink_floyd/interviews
get waters.rockline.93
quit

FTPmail will shortly send you back a message saying it received your request. It often takes a day or two for the request to process, as many other people use this service.


2. Are there any World Wide Web sites? +

Yes, there are several. The following is a list of just a few main ones; links to many others are available at the WWWall, listed below. To use any of these you'll need a program that lets you browse the Web -- such as Mosaic, NetScape, or Lynx.

http://humper.student.princeton.edu/floyd
This is the main Pink Floyd WWW site. Here you will find the FAQ in hypertext form, numerous articles, pictures, discographies, and much more.

http://www.reed.edu/~mhamilto/syd.html
Dolly Rocker, the Syd Barrett home page. With articles, lyrics, and more, all pertaining to Syd.

http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/jdjensen/WWWall.html
The World Wide Web Wall, a page full of links to every other Pink Floyd page out there.

http://www.galcit.caltech.edu/~ta/cgi-bin/ubl?card+1008+reg
This is the Pink Floyd Card entry in the Ultimate Band List (which also contains good pointers to other locations).

http://www.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/~herwig
http://www.princeton.edu/~mwwest/pink.html
These are hypertext versions of the echoes RoIO database (P1Q18). In addition to describing all the RoIOs in the database, they also feature pictures of many.

http://www.twi.tudelft.nl/Local/FTP/pub/music
Tour information from the Division Bell tour; features lists of shows, setlists, attendance statistics, chart positions, etc. See Q4.4

http://www.ee.pdx.edu/~henk/henk.html
A WWW site that contains Publius information, including a history of past posts, some speculation, and relevent pictures. See P4Q29


3. Is there a Pink Floyd Usenet newsgroup?

In early 1994, a Usenet group devoted to Pink Floyd, "alt.music.pink-floyd", was created. It has proved to be extremely popular, with 50-100+ posts a day in its first few months of existence. The group serves as a forum to discuss any and all Floyd-related subjects, and also the various non-Waters solo projects.

Shortly after the creation of a.m.p-f, a newsgroup dedicated to discussion of Roger Waters, "alt.music.roger-waters", was established. Topics covered by this group include both Roger's solo albums and his work with Pink Floyd. (There is, naturally, a fair amount of overlap between a.m.p-f and a.m.r-w.) This group has more limited distribution than the Pink Floyd group -- you may have to talk to your System Administrator in order to receive it.

A few general comments on both groups:

Also, you might want to check out "alt.music.progressive" -- things Floydian are sometimes discussed there as well. Finally, Pink Floyd-related pictures are also occasionaly posted to the "alt.binaries.pictures.misc" newsgroup. You can request a specific picture by posting in the "alt.binaries.pictures.d" group.


4. Other 'Net Resources

Pink Floyd fans across the Internet have amassed a fair amount of information about the band and its activities. The archives at ftp.halcyon.com and the echoserv mail-server are the main repositories for such files; see Questions 9.2 and 7.1.

However, several of these resources merit special note...


4.1 "Annotated Lyric Files

Many Floyd albums don't come with lyrics. Some have certain lyrics wrong. And none tell you anything about those background voices that grace so many of the Floyd's songs...

As a result, you can find annotated lyric files to just about all Pink Floyd and solo member albums at: ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/ in local/pink_floyd/lyrics


4.2 VocalList

While in most cases it's pretty obvious, on some Floyd songs there are always questions about who in fact is singing. The VocalList file answers those questions -- it lists the vocalist for pretty much every song that Pink Floyd recorded. It also adds album and song credits, and the first and last time each song was performed live.

The most recent edition of the VocalList can be obtained by mailing to "echoserv@fawnya.tcs.com" the following, lowercase and left-justified:

mail vocallist.3.00 echoes
quit

Maintained by Gerhard den Hollander (Gerhard@jason.nl)


4.3 Guest Work

Over the years, the members of Pink Floyd have participated in a number of other projects. This file lists albums and songs that Pink Floyd members, or their associates, produced, played on, or were otherwise involved with.

The most recent version of the Guest Work file can be obtained by mailing to "echoserv@fawnya.tcs.com" the following:

mail guest.work echoes
quit

It can also be found on the ftp.halcyon.com FTP archive (see Q9.2) Maintained by Aaro Koskinen (Aaro.Koskinen@Helsinki.FI)


4.4 Tour Files

Information about all aspects of the current Pink Floyd world tour is available, largely through the efforts of Piet de Bondt. Files available are:

tour.charts.94
Chart results for TDB and its singles
tour.dates.94
Up-to-date list of all '94 gigs
tour.reports.94.am
Set lists for all '94 American shows
tour.reports.94.eur
Sets for the European shows
tour.rumours.94
Facts and rumours about Pink Floyd in '94
tour.stats.94
Tour statistics so far in '94

These can be accessed through the WWW, via anonymous FTP, and by e-mail from the "echoes-tour" database (see Q2, Q1.1, and Q7.1, respectively).


4.5 Cover Songs *

Being the popular band that they are, Pink Floyd's songs have been the object of covers by many artists. A list of these songs, the artists that covered them, and what album/single they can be found on is available at

ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/ in local/pink_floyd/lists/cover.songs

This is also maintained by Aaro Koskinen (Aaro.Koskinen@Helsinki.FI)


5. Pink Floyd on IRC (Internet Relay Chat)

Internet Relay Chat is basically a super version of the standard 'net TALK program. TALK lets two people on opposite ends of the Earth talk to each other in real time -- what one types shows up on the other's computer as it's typed, and vice versa (well, it shows up as it's typed if you have a good connection ;)

IRC lets many, many people talk to each other in this manner. To keep things from getting too chaotic, it's organized into "channels" devoted to particular topics. The main Pink Floyd IRC channel to use is

#pinkfloyd

which is generally kept open all the time. Occasionaly, some annoying soul will take it over and make it invite-only. In this case, you might try

#pinkfloyd2

For more information on IRC, its use, conventions, etc., you should read the IRC FAQ, posted often to the "alt.irc" Usenet newsgroup and available via FTP at "ftp://ftp.undernet.org/" in the "/irc/docs" directory. If you have questions about how to use IRC, alt.irc is the place to direct them.


6. What is echoes?

echoes is a mailing list devoted to Pink Floyd. It has been running for about three years now. It replaces a list called "Eclipse" that ran for several years previous. There are roughly 1000 members of echoes, on (at last count) 5 continents.

echoes is available in two formats: realtime and digest. "Realtime" means that you get messages as soon as they are sent by other members. The "digest" format is composed of all the realtime postings: they are grouped together in a more compact format, mailed out once a day or so.

echoes is a very active list: expect 50-100 messages a day (or 35k to 150k per day). With traffic already so high, we try to avoid certain topics that we've found do more harm than good. "Taboo" topics include:

Nor is it the place to try out a big .sig -- no matter how "cool" it is. In contrast, some typical echoes topics:

In other words, there isn't much talked about on echoes that isn't talked about in the newsgroups or other forums. Rather, it's that subset of topics that is most appropriate for a mailing list setting of knowledgeable fans. As such, we try to keep the signal to noise ratio as high as possible and don't take kindly to folks who only want to contribute to the noise portion. If you violate these echoes by-laws, actions include everything from warnings to being dropped from echoes to having a talk with your SysAdmin. Sadly (or fortunately) this has only had to happen twice in 3 years.

(Appologies for the strictness of this description, but it seems to help avoid trouble if folks know all this in advance.)

If you are interested in joining echoes, mail to

echoserv@fawnya.tcs.com

with the following message:

help
quit

This will send you subscription information.


4.5 Are there lists like echoes for other bands? +

Yes, there are a great many musical mailing lists on the 'net. To get a list of them all (The List of Musical Mailing Lists), do one of the following:

Via E-MAIL
If you would like the latest version of this document automatically e-mailed to you at any time, do one of the following:

Via FTP
This document is also available via anonymous FTP at:

Via the WWW
This document is also available on the World Wide Web (WWW) in plaintext at:


7. What can the echoserv server do for me?

In addition to handling echoes subscription routines (Q10), echoserv has stored, and can send you on request, back issues of the echoes digest and assorted other files of interest. At this point, these files are divided into several different databases. Each database contains its own distinct set of files--think of them as different directories.

All commands to echoserv should be lowercase and left-justified, with the "quit" command included (if necessary) at the end of the message, before any .sig

For a complete "manual" for echoserv, beyond what is covered here, use the command "help"


7.1 Getting a list of available files

To obtain a list of available files, mail to echoserv

echoserv@fawnya.tcs.com

and use the "filelist" command:

filelist <database>

where <database> should be replaced with the name of the directory you'd like a listing of. Valid values are listed below. Do not enter the word "<database>." This will cause an error and just send your mail back to you, as there's no database called "<database>."

As of August '95 the current databases are:

echoes
echoes digest archives of the current Volume, the FAQ list, and other miscellaneous echoes files
echoes-vol1
Archives of Volume 1 of the echoes digest
echoes-vol2
Volume 2 of the digest
echoes-vol3
Volume 3
echoes-tour
Info on the current world tour, including dates and sets
roio
The main RoIO CD database (see P1Q18)
roio-lp
Database of vinyl ROIOs
rolo
Normal catalog items, including rarities
pc-code
Programs for a PC
sun4-code
Programs for a Sun
mac-code
Programs for Macs
eclipse
Archives from the old Eclipse mailing list
misc
Stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else
publius
Information on Publius (see P4Q29)

Other databases may be added from time to time. To get a list of the currently available databases use the "index" command.

To contribute to the RoIO database, get a copy of the blank RoIO description form, fill it out, and send it to "roio-maint@fawnya.tcs.com" [See P1Q18] Send submissions for the other databases directly to bear ("echoes-request@fawnya.tcs.com").


7.2 To get back issues of echoes

To get individual files from echoserv, you use the "mail"/"send" commands (they are interchangable).

To get volume 1 number 1 of the echoes digest, use the following command:

mail echoes.digest.v1n1 echoes-vol1

Requests for other issues (and, later, other volumes) are constructed in the obvious manner. As of January 22, 1995, the current digest is v4n70.


7.3 Getting back issues of Eclipse

To get a list of available Eclipse archives, send the command:

filelist eclipse

If you know the specific date you want, you can get the file directly, as the date is part of the name:

send eclipsed.30aug90 eclipse
send eclipsed.01feg91 eclipse

Note: the filename has eclipse in the past tense (i.e. "eclipsed")


7.4 Retrieving parts of the FAQ

The 5 parts of the FAQ are also stored on echoserv, and can be sent to you. They are in the "echoes" database, and the filenames are:

echoes.faq.3.0 (this document)
echoes.faq.3.1
echoes.faq.3.2
echoes.faq.3.3
echoes.faq.3.4

So, to get Part 2, you would use the command

send echoes.faq.3.2 echoes

Note that many mailers choke at about 100K characters, and the FAQ runs well beyond that. If you have problems, let me know, and I can send you the FAQ in smaller chunks.


8. Other Computer Stuff *

Considering that the Floyd have always been something of a leading-edge, multimedia band, their releases in this area have been few and far between; just the two MPEG-1 CD-ROM releases, The Wall and Delicate Sound of Thunder. Of course, there's all this-text based information to keep you happy, but if you're looking for more...


8.1 What MIDI/MOD files are available? +

There are a lot, mostly of so-so quality. All the ones I've gotten hold of are in the "sounds" directory at halcyon; among them are:

There are also a fair number of older ROL and CMF files, for the original Adlib and SoundBlaster cards, that I've haven't bothered with. If anyone comes across any sound files (particularly good ones!), that aren't already available at halcyon, could you do us all a favor and please upload them?


8.2 The Pulse Screensaver for Windows/Mac *

As a promotional item, EMI has released a Pulse computer screensaver. It features pictures from the last tour, facts and trivia, birthdays and lists of equipment for Gilmour, Wright and Mason, and artwork and tracklists from Pulse. If your computer is sound-capable, you'll also hear intro music from "High Hopes," Learning to Fly," "Time," and other songs, as well as crowd noise.

Versions of the screensaver for Mac and Windows computers are available at ftp.halcyon.com in the "misc" directory. There's also a factual mistake in the screensaver text; it claims that the October 20th, 1994 performance of DSotM was the first in 20 years, when it had in fact been performed earlier on the tour.


9. Is there an echoes archive site?

There is currently a Pink Floyd Archive Site at ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/. This site includes lyrics, interviews, articles, and other info, but no actual archives of the echoes list (those are available via echoserv).


9.1 Submitting files to the Archives

Because of problems with people uploading pirated software, uploads to halcyon are handled via e-mail only. To submit something for the archives, send it to:

rjones@halcyon.com

Be sure to include a short description of what the file is, and what directory it should go into. Files should be send UUencoded. Whenever you type up an article, come across a picture you haven't seen before, etc., please upload a copy to the archives, so that people years from now will be able to take advantage of them.


9.2 Index of Pink Floyd files on the ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/ Archive +

To give you an idea what's available, and to make things easier for FTPmail users, here's a list of what's available at ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/ as of August 1.

Note: the "." before the directory name stands for "local/pink_floyd" -- thus, "post.1993" is located in "local/pink_floyd/articles/post.1993"

Articles

  ./articles/post.1993                    ./articles/news.clips
  ./articles/syd.nme.1974                 ./articles/press.release.94tour
  ./articles/barrett.opel                 ./articles/record.coll.1992.2
  ./articles/ezrin.feb93                  ./articles/Index
  ./articles/atd.sep92                    ./articles/Q.1991
  ./articles/TAP_SONG_LIST                ./articles/Q.thorgerson.1992
  ./articles/Q.waters.1992                ./articles/barret.rc.1993
  ./articles/barrett.1978                 ./articles/atd.billboard.1992
  ./articles/compleat.top.gear            ./articles/record.collector.1992
  ./articles/barrett.roio                 ./articles/syd_studio_sessions
  ./articles/hyde.bomb                    ./articles/mojo.txt
  ./articles/melody.aug67                 ./articles/globe.1992
  ./articles/melody.dec67

Discographies

  ./discographies/rarities.pricing.93     ./discographies/single.list
  ./discographies/uk.disc.1               ./discographies/Index
  ./discographies/maple.disc              ./discographies/cd.singles
  ./discographies/waters.1                ./discographies/floyd.disc1
  ./discographies/discog

Interviews

  ./interviews/snowy.white                ./interviews/waters.penthouse
  ./interviews/syd.roio                   ./interviews/waters.rockline.93
  ./interviews/waters.rcd.1992            ./interviews/gilmour-july-94
  ./interviews/wywh.gilmour               ./interviews/sound.bites
  ./interviews/wywh.roger                 ./interviews/waters.nov.92
  ./interviews/peter.watts                ./interviews/gilmour.source
  ./interviews/waters.wall                ./interviews/waters.la_times.1992
  ./interviews/.places3_0.wmd             ./interviews/gilmour.rcd.1992
  ./interviews/parsons.feb93              ./interviews/gilmour.Q.1990
  ./interviews/waters.1987                ./interviews/barrett.1971
  ./interviews/shades.of.pink             ./interviews/waters.bbc.1990
  ./interviews/Index                      ./interviews/syd.nme.1974
  ./interviews/gilmour.musician.1992      ./interviews/waters.germany.92
  ./interviews/water-nytimes-june-1994    ./interviews/guitar-world-sep-94

Lists

  ./lists/cover.songs                     ./lists/pf-roio-1
  ./lists/tour.list                       ./lists/pf-roio-2
  ./lists/vocallist                       ./lists/pf-roio-2
  ./lists/solo-roio                       ./lists/videotapes
  ./lists/echoserv.help                   ./lists/Index
  ./lists/guest.work                      ./lists/article.list
  ./lists/never.live                      ./lists/index.subjects.vol1
  ./lists/never.live.202                  ./lists/early.performances
  ./lists/index.issues.vol1

Lyrics

  ./lyrics/about.face                     ./lyrics/radio.kaos
  ./lyrics/14.division                    ./lyrics/david.gilmour
  ./lyrics/01.piper                       ./lyrics/08.dsotm
  ./lyrics/09.wywh                        ./lyrics/wind.blows
  ./lyrics/06.meddle                      ./lyrics/vocalist.3.00
  ./lyrics/10.animals                     ./lyrics/wa.1.the.body
  ./lyrics/wet.dream                      ./lyrics/00.singles
  ./lyrics/prosncons                      ./lyrics/02.saucerful
  ./lyrics/03.more                        ./lyrics/07.obscured
  ./lyrics/04.ummagumma                   ./lyrics/12.finalcut
  ./lyrics/05.atomheart                   ./lyrics/13.momentarylapse
  ./lyrics/11.wall                        ./lyrics/ficticious.sports
  ./lyrics/syd.barrett                    ./lyrics/wa.3.radio.kaos
  ./lyrics/amused.to.death                ./lyrics/Index

Miscellaneous

  ./misc/oracle.answer                    ./misc/chords.more.early
  ./misc/dstom.cds                        ./misc/chords.tfc
  ./misc/hair.survey                      ./misc/chords.early
  ./misc/rmm.poll                         ./misc/chords.anthology.3
  ./misc/Index                            ./misc/chords.anthology.4
  ./misc/prosncons.xcrpt                  ./misc/chords.dsotm
  ./misc/rmcd.jan93                       ./misc/chords.green.color
  ./misc/chords.anthology.1               ./misc/1992.echoes.poll
  ./misc/kaos.xcrpt                       ./misc/berlin.promo
  ./misc/prosncons.explanation            ./misc/chords.anthology.2
  ./misc/jrf.faq                          ./misc/drug.survey
  ./misc/echoes.poll                      ./misc/drugs.paper                      
  ./misc/kaos.intro                       ./misc/echoes.nov92.poll                
  ./misc/chords.wywh                      ./misc/montreal.1977
  ./misc/chords.mlor                      ./misc/oracle.answer.2
  ./misc/pf_screen_saver.zip

Reviews

  ./reviews/atd.vinyl                     ./reviews/the.man
  ./reviews/dsotm.xx                      ./reviews/tlamlil
  ./reviews/syd.box                       ./reviews/wall.rehearsal
  ./reviews/bbc.sessions                  ./reviews/1974.program
  ./reviews/atd.la_times                  ./reviews/animals.thoughts
  ./reviews/Index                         ./reviews/atd.sony.mstr
  ./reviews/panamerica                    ./reviews/berlin.90.promos
  ./reviews/cowl.berlin                   ./reviews/knebworth.90
  ./reviews/one.world                     ./reviews/shine.on.ice
  ./reviews/atd.miami                     ./reviews/knebworth.3
  ./reviews/terrapin.box

The echoes FAQ

  ./echoes_faq/echoes.faq.3.0             ./echoes_faq/echoes.html
  ./echoes_faq/echoes.faq.3.1             ./echoes_faq/echoes0.html
  ./echoes_faq/echoes.faq.3.2             ./echoes_faq/echoes1.html
  ./echoes_faq/echoes.faq.3.3             ./echoes_faq/echoes2.html
  ./echoes_faq/echoes.faq.3.4             ./echoes_faq/echoes3.html
  ./echoes_faq/demo_faq.doc               ./echoes_faq/echoes4.html

Sounds

WAVs

  ./sounds/wav/echoes.wav                 ./sounds/wav/pillow.wav
  ./sounds/wav/fearless.wav               ./sounds/wav/ootd.wav
  ./sounds/wav/message.wav                ./sounds/wav/floyd95.wav
  ./sounds/wav/several.wav

MODs

  ./sounds/mod/SOYCD1.mod                 ./sounds/mod/money.mod
  ./sounds/mod/SOYCD2.mod

MIDIs

  ./sounds/midi/pfabitw.mid               ./sounds/midi/pfsheep.mid
  ./sounds/midi/pfbike.mid                ./sounds/midi/pfshine.mid
  ./sounds/midi/pfbreath.mid              ./sounds/midi/pftime.mid
  ./sounds/midi/pfcomfor.mid              ./sounds/midi/pfusthem.mid
  ./sounds/midi/pffincut.mid              ./sounds/midi/pfwywh.mid
  ./sounds/midi/pfheyyou.mid

Other

  ./sounds/other/POTWSOLO.ZIP             ./sounds/other/pfbreath.cmf
  ./sounds/other/anybody.amf              ./sounds/other/pfbreath.rol
  ./sounds/other/bluesky.amf              ./sounds/other/pftime.cmf
  ./sounds/other/goodbye.amf              ./sounds/other/pftime.rol
  ./sounds/other/greatgig.zip             ./sounds/other/pfwywh.txt
  ./sounds/other/nilesong.amf             ./sounds/other/hh.s3m
  ./sounds/other/ovrdrive.amf             ./sounds/other/if.s3m

Shades of Pink (Mensa Newsletter)

  ./3_shades_of_pink/3shades1.txt         ./3_shades_of_pink/3shades4.txt
  ./3_shades_of_pink/3shades2.txt         ./3_shades_of_pink/3shades5.txt
  ./3_shades_of_pink/3shades3.txt         ./3_shades_of_pink/3shades6.txt


10. Interacting with echoes

Here is information on how to subscribe and unsubscribe, how to post, and how to get in touch with bear, the list administrator. If you join echoes, it might be a good idea to print this section out and keep it handy, in case you forget one of the addresses, etc.


10.1 How to Subscribe

First of all, make sure you're logged onto the address you want echoes to be sent to. Then, send mail to

maito:echoserv@fawnya.tcs.com

"echoserv" is a mail-based list processor. It will read your message, one line at a time, and respond to each command. The subject line is irrelevant. All commands should be lowercase, and left-justified (even though they're indented here, just to confuse you ;)

If you must include a .sig file at the end of your message, you should use the "quit" command at the end of the list of commands, before your .sig, to make sure echoserv knows when to stop parsing.

So, to subscribe, use the following commands:

For realtime mode:

add-realtime echoes
quit

For digest mode:

add echoes
quit

And, if you want both:

add-realtime echoes
add echoes
quit


10.2 How to Unsubscribe

Unsubscribing is also handled through echoserv. Send mail to

echoserv@fawnya.tcs.com

With the commands: delete echoes quit


10.3 How to change between realtime and digest

Basically, you unsubscribe yourself from one and then subscribe yourself to the other.

Again, mail to

echoserv@fawnya.tcs.com

To change from realtime to digest, you would say:

delete echoes
add echoes
quit

Or, to go from digest to realtime, it would be:

delete echoes
add-realtime echoes
quit

You will, unfortunately, be sent all the subscription material (like this document) again when you switch.


10.4 How to Post

To submit a posting to the list, send it to

echoes@fawnya.tcs.com

This will immeadiately broadcast your message to all realtime subscribers (including yourself, if you are on realtime). At the end of the day (about 11:58 Pacific), all the posts sent to echoes that day are grouped together and mailed out to digest subscribers as one large file.

Please observe the posting guidelines, listed in Q11. In addition, please don't ever post lines beginning with the string "From " or the ~ character -- these cause problems.


10.5 How to talk to the list administrator

If you have any problems with echoes, echoserv, or other aspects of the list, and would like to talk to the list administrator (bear), the address is: echoes-request@fawnya.tcs.com

If you find the echoserv subscribing/unsubscribing commands too confusing or hard to remember, you can use this address for these functions as well. Just realise that response won't be as instantaneous as with echoserv.


11. echoes Posting Guidelines

The following posting guidelines were agreed upon by echoes members:

  1. restrict postings to pink floyd and related topics.

  2. read the faq list. keep a copy of it handy or if possible, keep it on-line so it can be searched for keywords with an editor or search utility prior to posting a question.

  3. send unsubscribe messages to the server, not to the list. the server is:

    echoserv@fawnya.tcs.com

    the syntax is:

    unsubscribe echoes  
    quit
    

    (both lines justified to the left margin in the message body)

  4. include a descriptive subject header, and preserve the subject header when replying to a posting if continuing the same "thread".

  5. clearly differentiate between fact and opinion. if sharing your opinion, it helps the reader better understand your position if you add some reasons to support it.

  6. quote only the portion of a posting that is necesary to convey the meaning of what you are replying to.

  7. read all postings before replying to a posting to see if it has already been answered by someone else. it is impossible to avoid duplicate answers on occasion, especially with the long time lag on the digest mode.

  8. limit the length of your signature to no more than 5 lines. if you post frequently, a long signature becomes unwelcome. some subscribers have to pay for their incoming mail by the byte.

  9. if possible, format your messages to approximately 70 columns so that lines can be quoted a few times before they start wrapping around on 80 column terminals.

  10. "flaming" - that is, an abusive response or a response which makes a personal attack rather than sticking to the subject, is discouraged. strongly.

  11. think twice about posting long articles to the list -- and never more than once a day. place them at an ftp site or a mail server, and announce to the list where it has been archived. a limit of 32 kilobytes on a low traffic day should keep the digest small enough to keep from overflowing some subscriber's mailers.

  12. don't respond to polls via the list. responses should go to the address of the pollster, or to an address they supply in the poll.

  13. include "ZZZ SPOILER" in the subject header if posting details about an upcoming tour or what you saw at a concert you just attended, or details about a new album. some people prefer what they see and hear at a concert or on a new album to be a complete surprise. (the "ZZZ" will cause the posting to be sorted to the bottom of the digest).


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